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Post by kristenb on Sept 20, 2005 8:38:13 GMT -5
I came to OL site to check out current work and ended up reading the current blogs...
Why people respond dismayed to turned off comments?
Maybe because... virtual works, but "real" is better; even though it's virtual herein, it "feels" real, as in 'direct'... nevermind it's passed through numerous routers and filters and been copied and stored... people are habituated at the blog and now think it's direct, thus real, even though only illusion... Adam's forum much less real... no sense/illusion OL reads it...
I would ask, why ask when a direct, no-mince words statement was made about the shift?
Community is everywhere and nowhere... Robert Frost, Dogen, Doris Lessing all speak to this issue as well as numerous non-celebrity smart folk. I think it's one of the 'states' that is felt more than reasoned much like good music, good words evoking e-motion...
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Post by boris on Sept 21, 2005 13:01:22 GMT -5
Adam's forum is up for more than a year now. It grew silent recently because most of the participants are active in the blogging world themselves. But since the beginning, Ottmar was reading this forum. He has linked it himself in his blog for a long while and repeatedly pointed out to it.
So this shouldn't be a problem for leaving your comments here. Instead feel welcome to do so.
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Post by marijose on Sept 21, 2005 20:09:40 GMT -5
It makes sense that OL would want to turn off comments to concentrate on other things, to not have to monitor comments for spam or what have you, or for whatever reason. His blogs, his call.
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Post by boris on Sept 22, 2005 1:35:21 GMT -5
Indicating that comments mean dialog, as Ottmar himself has stated. Well, he turns off the comments once in a while. When u have to concentrate on other things, the intensity of being present in the online world can easily become too demanding in whatever way. I just wonder why people start e-mailing him instead when comments are turned off, because comments are turned off. No, not true, I don't wonder.
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Post by kristenb on Sept 22, 2005 8:46:03 GMT -5
Clarification: My comments were directed to OL in a deep, bodichitta way, as he sounded genuinely perplexed at the response to his personal decision, and thus asked for input, directing the comments to be left herein as I understood it. So, I did and do feel welcome to participate herein. Thanks.
As a 'trying to retire from relational db prog' person, I understand the depths of data, content, and management of it, in ways most can not fathom. Not to mention tried net dating back in the ol' UNIX IRC days and again later in the web days, giving me the emotive, human experience end of it. (How old am I? 39.) It's simple. Volume, quality (and the emotion experienced around it) can become a mara problem. Computing does not save us 'time', but it does make new things possible, like communicating with someone across the globe in an instant, or having access to data in the form of words, pictures, music at our fingertips, literally. A mini step towards telepathy? oneness/enlightenment? access to all?
It's a very tricky space though, connection - independence - privacy - publicity - dialog. Anybody herein read the WIRED article in the early 90's about the father of the hyperlink? Brilliant Sausalito man; will die a pauper, if not already dead, due to inability to get beyond hyperlink thinking himself (if I remember the article correctly). He inspired the computing world to mount the challenge of the brain, how it connects 'things' in disparate ways, and implement it. As a practice, for many years now, I've attempted to re-thread conversations with friends at the end of dialog and we always end up laughing/marveling at how the conversation flowed. I think most of us do this; it's very very interesting, n'est-ce pas? Humans are irrational, and thank goddess for that as we're moved by music, words, pictures, sculptures, paintings, etc in ways we can not articulate. Enlightment/moving towards the within means mounting the paradox of 'being one with everything', everything being perfectly known, thus realizing there is no privacy, and trusting everything, including oneself, to use discernment (not judgement) for where our gifts lead us to contribute to the 'soup' and making no apologies along the way.
Probably not articulating this properly yet. It's been percolating in my brain since early August when during the Upaya Zen Center sesshin of Mountains and Rivers Sutra by Dogen, I dared to begin looking more robustly at my personal notions of community and the appearance or feelings of connection/disconnection with everything. It's still a visceral understanding more than an intellectual articulation, but the 10,000 ladybugs at the top of Picacho flipped me in an instant. Why? Because I usually only see 1 at a time on my rose and hummingbird mint plants. We all retreat; we all come together. Maybe the rhythm differs, but not much else. We are all whole in every moment. We need interaction. As Roshi said last night, most of us don't realize or grasp our own innate power, not to be mistaken for force, but our true limitless power. And, many trot after those they perceive to have 'it'. As an example, I live here in a town now, SF, of gifted, gifted artists of all walks of life, and media; but, sadly, so many, even here, think of themselves as less, or broken, or not enough as X, Y, or Z. When someone demonstrates it is possible to share their soul, that's inspiring, so people want 'direct' connection.
I think the solo, small venue performances will be very rewarding for OL and audience alike. I emailed a friend about the surprise Upaya performance (didn't realize OL lived in town; no musician friends here ever mentioned it, and this is my first visit to this web space, despite listening since the early 90's in Seattle - ol' discernment/3D time management thing) and his response was 'sounds like a great, intimate concert.' I would exchange the word, 'intimate' with 'direct', and there you have it... direct experience is 'it'.
Change is difficult for most as we become habituated. But, I've always said, get out and travel... show the world and let the world show you! A town in CH got buried by a rock slide in an instant, sweet fresh water springs found in Fiji, elephants ran for high ground before the tsunami hit, and the list goes on...
Today is Autumnal Equinox at local MST time 4:23 pm (GMT 22:23). An equal amount of light and dark, sol y luna, negra - black - void and verde :) - light - illumination/anything is possible. Perfect Balance. Gotta go embrace it... Adios... kristen@kalipani.com
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Post by boris on Sept 22, 2005 11:23:44 GMT -5
Wow. Many interesting things u say there, Kristen. And some insight u have that others never will. IT, soul of a SF artist, etc. Gotta read thise twice or thrice first.
But since I'm from far away, living in the same mountains as the town is where the rock slide you mentioned came down, again I realize how different our perspectives are when we are confronted with Ottmar's thoughts. I'll be back on it.
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Post by kristenb on Sept 23, 2005 21:08:15 GMT -5
Hmmm, yes, perceptions, perspectives differ... I read most of the recent blog 'all at once' which is where/how my response developed, versus yours, which sounds to me like it's developed over a long time.
Sorry I can't type in german Boris; you'd think with a last name like Bentz I'd be able to do so, but alas, I decided to explore the irish, english and swedish side of my physical ancestry and the peruvian and tibetan side of my etheric ancestry.
Tchuss! Fabulous thunder and lightening storm has taken off here... rhythms abound!
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Post by JustMe on Oct 2, 2005 20:59:58 GMT -5
To me there's a feeling of being disconnected to read a posting on a blog & then to go elsewhere to post a comment. I think that moving comments to another space doesn't encourage the exchange of ideas that comes with comments. Notice how there has not been much conversation posted here about any of Ottmar's recent posts.
Why would people suddenly email Ottmar? Because he creates an impression of accessibility & maybe that feeling is now gone. Or maybe people feel that they want him to know their opinion on the subject (whether he wants to hear it or not.)...not to change his opinion, but simply to offer a different point of view.
As Marijose says: "his blog, his call." It doesn't mean we're not allowed our own opinions on the matter, even if in the end they don't matter one bit.
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Post by Adam Solomon on Oct 3, 2005 16:32:22 GMT -5
They do matter, more with Ottmar than with anyone--he'll take our views into consideration, even if it does seem he is pretty confident about his direction with the blog at the moment.
I agree with you, of course, on the comments...looks like this still isn't revitalizing the forum, though...
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Post by JustMe on Oct 5, 2005 8:30:58 GMT -5
I just re-read my last comment & that last line sounds awful...."even if in the end they don't matter one bit." I know they matter, and really, truly did not mean for that comment to take that tone. I simply meant that it is totally 100% Ottmar's decision and by presenting our opinions doesn't mean that we're trying to influence him one way or another: simply stating a point of view.
I think the fact that the forum has not been revitalized supports my theory. However, maybe it is just taking awhile to catch on. Everyone seems to be so busy & preoccupied these days.
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Post by boris on Oct 6, 2005 10:42:48 GMT -5
What Heather says here last is what I meant with the basic sense of a "comment". Anyway I do appreciate what OL offers in whatever way. Blogging must cost him some time, though. Sometimes it takes my evening and that's not worth the health of my eyes. I wouldn't know how to switch from blogging to playing guitar so it makes perfect sense to me that from time to time, Ottmar takes some time off.
What the forum is concerned I do think that it was blogging that made us neglect the forum. This is all too much to handle sometimes, the forum, the blogs, the fansite OLnet, OLnet blog, now the PMWiki suggestion.......... too widespread the fan activities can get.
And last, yep, very busy, H, need to catch my train. Hasta luego.
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Post by Adam Solomon on Oct 6, 2005 20:28:49 GMT -5
Hopefully OLnet will integrate, as I said in the e-mail, a few of those things, making it essentially a three-pronged attack: OL blog, our blogs, and OLnet.
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Post by kristenb on Feb 9, 2006 11:08:37 GMT -5
the end, the beginning... where are these places?
my friend Luna spoke on the mayan calendar last night at annapurna... grand cycles, tones, vibrations... stayed up most of the night listening to harp music, then some guitar, and wondered if this place had juice... not for a while now i read... here are some words for the ethers, the vapor... dialogue?
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the amber glow flickers
dancing through memories
of sunshine, rain, and breezes
from whence it came, unknowing
to brighten my night
soft shadows grow fierce, grostesque
but twinkling stars whisper and shout
rock, soil, seed, flower
bee, hive, wax and flame
give life to life to life
way upon way, and path after path
tears feed blossoms
soft gazes soothe hearts
and at moonset
night comes to a new dawn
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