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Benise
Jun 12, 2005 22:23:15 GMT -5
Post by CG Ryche on Jun 12, 2005 22:23:15 GMT -5
Alot going on guys. I'll keep you posted as more developes. God Bless CG
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Benise
Jun 28, 2005 23:27:41 GMT -5
Post by Adam Solomon on Jun 28, 2005 23:27:41 GMT -5
CG! Haven't heard from you in a while, man...what's going on? Looking forward to seeing Benise live, any tour dates scheduled in the NY area?
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Benise
Jun 29, 2005 15:59:56 GMT -5
Post by CG Ryche on Jun 29, 2005 15:59:56 GMT -5
Things have been postponed till 2006. Big things happening right now, I'm not at liberty to speak about yet. I know we'll in NY soon. I'll drop you a line. Everyone stopped talking. I see the hits but no replies? Anyways God bless Adam CG
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Benise
Jun 29, 2005 21:17:48 GMT -5
Post by David Jr. on Jun 29, 2005 21:17:48 GMT -5
Soooo, I haven't posted in a looooong time, so my reply to all this is maybe... a year late? lolol
My take on Benise:
Just from what I saw and heard on the website -- A very talented artist, both in the music and visual genre. Looking at the clip of his live show, very detailed and visually stunning. The music he plays is more of an accompaniment to the whole theatrical show, which includes music, dance, acrobats, and an very detailed overall presence.
I commend Benise, his musicians, his stage performers on their live performance -- perhaps a multi-sensory event that can't be matched! Seriously!
But as a musician myself, I don't personally prefer alot of visualness to my live music. I like the music to speak for itself. To me, music is about listening. The best music videos to me is where I can listen and see what the artist is performing. With this, that is why my preference is with artists like OL and the likes, because his live shows, the music is what soley comes from the stage.
In Benise's case, his shows are about a more theatrical approach. The music, to me, grabs onto the Spanish feel, but is not the main element in his shows. I think this is where OL and Benise are from two totally different perspectives of music.
It's hard to watch Benise actually play guitar, because he moves alot, his stance and "musician" pose is an important element. Utmost..... he uses a guitar pick. Eeeck. No flamenco/spanish guitar player would even consider that! He also uses a cut-away on his guitar -- a definite aspect of his SoCal rocker background. That's the thing about SoCal -- visualness comes before anything.
Just looking at the musicians in Benise's video -- it seems their clothes and hair are just as important as their musicianship. (by no means am I capping on their musicianship, they all sound like excellent musicians). But if you notice in an OL show, they all seem like more down to earth musicians, essentially coming on stage with what they were wearing that day.
I'm not trying to dis' Benise, just pointing out some differences...
As far as the names on his CD and such: My art history teacher emphasized and I follow this to this day: Art is derived from art. Nothing is totally original. What can be considered copying to someone can be considered direct influence to another.
To sum.. since this is probably a big book blog entry (lol):
Even though to some, Benise might seem like a copycat, one thing holds true: To oneself, despite what others perceive music as, if what you do is a passion that you feel and uplifts you, that's all that counts. Because someone doesn't have the same perspective of music and what it should be (eg visually plain live show vs intricate live show), it doesn't mean the one performing it isn't being lifted to high heaven with whatever kind of show they put on.
OK, I'm done being the perspective babbler. hahaha. Great posts guys, I like that everyone is able to opinionate while still have mad respect for others.
Later on~
-D
P.S. Per my earlier post, does anyone need a ticket to the Saratoga show? ;D
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Benise
Jun 30, 2005 9:49:43 GMT -5
Post by Adam Solomon on Jun 30, 2005 9:49:43 GMT -5
Things have been postponed till 2006. Big things happening right now, I'm not at liberty to speak about yet. I know we'll in NY soon. I'll drop you a line. Everyone stopped talking. I see the hits but no replies? Anyways God bless Adam CG Awesome, thanks! As for the replies...well, it's not just this thread. Since Ottmar started using Blogger, all the 'Mencos have gotten blogs of their own and it started a very personal network of communication through that, achieving a lot of the goals that this board was originally started for (in the absence of an appropriate way for fans to congregate when Ottmar was blogging on radiowhatever). Things might pick up later when we launch OLnet and integrate this board into it.
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Benise
Jun 30, 2005 10:06:17 GMT -5
Post by Adam Solomon on Jun 30, 2005 10:06:17 GMT -5
Soooo, I haven't posted in a looooong time, so my reply to all this is maybe... a year late? lolol My take on Benise: Just from what I saw and heard on the website -- A very talented artist, both in the music and visual genre. Looking at the clip of his live show, very detailed and visually stunning. The music he plays is more of an accompaniment to the whole theatrical show, which includes music, dance, acrobats, and an very detailed overall presence. I commend Benise, his musicians, his stage performers on their live performance -- perhaps a multi-sensory event that can't be matched! Seriously! But as a musician myself, I don't personally prefer alot of visualness to my live music. I like the music to speak for itself. To me, music is about listening. The best music videos to me is where I can listen and see what the artist is performing. With this, that is why my preference is with artists like OL and the likes, because his live shows, the music is what soley comes from the stage. In Benise's case, his shows are about a more theatrical approach. The music, to me, grabs onto the Spanish feel, but is not the main element in his shows. I think this is where OL and Benise are from two totally different perspectives of music. It's hard to watch Benise actually play guitar, because he moves alot, his stance and "musician" pose is an important element. Utmost..... he uses a guitar pick. Eeeck. No flamenco/spanish guitar player would even consider that! He also uses a cut-away on his guitar -- a definite aspect of his SoCal rocker background. That's the thing about SoCal -- visualness comes before anything. Just looking at the musicians in Benise's video -- it seems their clothes and hair are just as important as their musicianship. (by no means am I capping on their musicianship, they all sound like excellent musicians). But if you notice in an OL show, they all seem like more down to earth musicians, essentially coming on stage with what they were wearing that day. I'm not trying to dis' Benise, just pointing out some differences... As far as the names on his CD and such: My art history teacher emphasized and I follow this to this day: Art is derived from art. Nothing is totally original. What can be considered copying to someone can be considered direct influence to another. To sum.. since this is probably a big book blog entry (lol): Even though to some, Benise might seem like a copycat, one thing holds true: To oneself, despite what others perceive music as, if what you do is a passion that you feel and uplifts you, that's all that counts. Because someone doesn't have the same perspective of music and what it should be (eg visually plain live show vs intricate live show), it doesn't mean the one performing it isn't being lifted to high heaven with whatever kind of show they put on. OK, I'm done being the perspective babbler. hahaha. Great posts guys, I like that everyone is able to opinionate while still have mad respect for others. Later on~ -D P.S. Per my earlier post, does anyone need a ticket to the Saratoga show? ;D You've pretty much got it right, I think. I have his Viva Spanish Nights DVD (which I ripped to MP3 and still listen to!). The music stands alone just fine on his own, and he does have some beautiful tunes, but to compare him to Ottmar is just impossible. Ottmar is my favorite, always has been and always will be. I'll listen to Jesse Cook (my absolute [second] favorite!), S&F, Armik, Benise, etc., they each bring their own personal flavor to that blanket of flamenco, but none of them have the depth for me that OL does. That being said, it's extremely, extremely difficult to compare the music- and melody-centered guitarist with his plethora of beautiful, emotional songs to the rocker with a flamenco guitar who puts on the big fun show. Both are great, and which you prefer is a matter of personal preference. Of course, that precludes the fact that Ottmar, being so much more experienced (and a better guitarist, no offense at all to Benise!), would have an advantage in that regard. But that's no knock to Benise! And Benise was never really pure flamenco, was he? His style screams of the rock influence, but that's just what it his--an influence. He's not flamenco puro. Neither is OL. Each just putting their own style to the music. First, on moving, I don't see a problem with that, just moving with the music. Moses knows I always have the urge to do that, despite the funny looks I get! As for the pick...well, Benise's not alone in that regard. A lot of new flamenco guitarists--Jesse Cook, etc.--use it. It's an output of the rock background, though it definitely detracts from the music--Ottmar's fingerpicking is just so much more...personal. No? Good post man
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Benise
Jul 29, 2005 16:21:38 GMT -5
Post by David on Jul 29, 2005 16:21:38 GMT -5
Benise is new and breaking ground for flamenco music. It's a combination of flamenco, rock, jazz and other styles. this is what new music should be about...evolving.
who cares if he plays with a pick. his fans don't care. he's a great player. the pick offers a different sound than fingernails...some may prefer this.
to say he and his band are more concerned about their hair is idiotic. the music is number 1 to Benise. Benise is not only great music and performances, but also a great visual live show. it's a show that is exciting as opposed to other guitar players who are borderline boring live.
his accomplishments are evidence that he is doing everything right. you as a musician should be inspired by Benise and his success as an indie breaking his way into major success.
how many musicians do you know that could achieve what Benise has as an indie?
I myself have nothing but respect for the guy and his band.
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Benise
Jul 29, 2005 23:07:56 GMT -5
Post by Adam Solomon on Jul 29, 2005 23:07:56 GMT -5
Accomplishments aren't evidence of good music--Hillary Duff is plenty more "accomplished" than OL if you're going to analyze it that way. I agree, nothing but respect for Benise. Although personally, I don't see how his music, good and fun though it may be, can ever compare to Ottmar's. Maybe we disagree
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Benise
Jul 30, 2005 4:45:32 GMT -5
Post by boris on Jul 30, 2005 4:45:32 GMT -5
Breaking ground? That will be interesting to watch over the next years. That's a loaded word. How many artists finally could call themselves groundbreaking at least in minor aspects? You're leaning far out of the window here.
Everything right? Who does?
Good for Benise and his comrades in case he is succesful. And as a lot of artists he without a doubt deserves respect.
Talking about the use of picks, well, that's subjective. I'm with Adam in this case but I wouldn't drop intentionously any other guitar player only because of that.
And who said that about the hair?
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Benise
Aug 3, 2005 21:50:22 GMT -5
Post by CG Ryche on Aug 3, 2005 21:50:22 GMT -5
Hey guys, just wanted to drop a line about what's happening. Benise will be shooting our next DVD this Sept. This will be aired nation wide on PBS in Dec. I promise this will be off the hook, even ground breaking. I hope you guys enjoy. Never forget being musicians we are all one family. What happens good for one helps open doors for others. Like OL or S&F or GK. I hope you guys will enjoy it. I know you'll be honest, and I thank you for that. I'll have some of my friend there with me including; Luis Conte, Munyungo Jackson, Kalani, Chalo Edraudo, Jore Bermudez, Ronnie Gutterriez & Fernando Deiz. Hope you guitarist know at least a couple of these cats. If not I'll fill you in. Anyways this will lanch a national tour in early 2006. Check www.benise.com or www.cgryche for more info. Hope you all are well & God Bless. CG
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Benise
Aug 4, 2005 18:42:25 GMT -5
Post by Adam Solomon on Aug 4, 2005 18:42:25 GMT -5
Oh man, I'm excited--thanks for dropping in, CG! Looking forward to the DVD and the tour
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Benise
Sept 21, 2005 12:52:12 GMT -5
Post by CG Ryche on Sept 21, 2005 12:52:12 GMT -5
Hey guys, here's a sneek peak at the New Benise DVD in progress. "Nights of Fire" This will air in Dec. on PBS Go to www.cgryche.com/News.htmClick on the picture. It's rough but it's something for now. God Bless CG
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Benise
Sept 25, 2005 23:29:07 GMT -5
Post by David on Sept 25, 2005 23:29:07 GMT -5
CG, I watched the "Nights of Fire" pilot....although I had to watch it from Carlos's site..I couldn't get yours to play. Anyways, all I can say is that it's amazing. It's the best clips I've seen from any Benise show. I'm positive this PBS broadcast is going to be huge. Benise will be a household name within the next year. You guys have worked really hard and paid your dues...YOU GUYS DESERVE THE SUCCESS THAT IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. I'll see you around bro.
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Benise
Sept 25, 2005 23:50:10 GMT -5
Post by David on Sept 25, 2005 23:50:10 GMT -5
Ottmar, I'm disappointed. I was trying to find a blog on your site about different mics you like to use for recording and I stumbled upon a blog about a comment I wrote on this forum about 1 year ago. It was in reference to marketing and music. You put a negative spin on it with your comments. You took my comments out of context.
It's always a given that self expression, art and creativity are the essence of our own music. These are the driving forces behind all great artists. But, when a musician chooses to make a living from his music, he also has to be able to market it. That's what I was saying.
Anyways, I still appreciate your advice on mics and recording techniques. Your tone on La Semana in very nice.
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Benise
Sept 26, 2005 3:27:05 GMT -5
Post by CG Ryche on Sept 26, 2005 3:27:05 GMT -5
Thanx David for your kind words. We are very excited to see the finished product. I'm very humbled & blessed to what the future holds. God Bless you & thanx again. CG
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